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voted to impeach attorney general ken paxton. he's accused of bribery and abuse of public trust. they said the impeachment was illegal and being called what he called corrupt politicians. we'll have more in just a moment. in the meantime, in washington, it is deal or no deal. two sources tell cnn president biden and house speaker kevin mccarthy are expected to speak this hour. it comes at a critical moment in the debt ceiling talks and a source says it is now down to one final sticking point. work requirements for social safety net programs. they may have as little as eight days to prevent the u.s. from defaulting on its debts. many experts predict economic disaster if that happens. let's begin at the white house and capitol. manu, they would not be getting on the phone just to go over what they're going to have at their memorial day barbecue. this means that maybe we're getting close.
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>> reporter: yes, indeed it does. i just spoke with patrick mchenry, one of the key negotiators. i asked, what is the purpose of the phone call? he said it is because of the sticking points. the president and the speaker need to get on the phone and hash out the remaining sticking points. he mentioned the work requirements. a chief sticking point. on programs like food stamps and temporary help for families. they should be forced to go back into the work force and democrats believe it is an attack on the working poor. they believe it is an attack on families that need these benefits. that's a big issue. he said another issue the president needs to resolve with the speaker is on spending cuts. that has been a part of these negotiations all along. republicans demanding steeper spending cuts. mccarthy said his red line is
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doing more this year for the federal government. but that has not been totally resolved yet either. the point of this phone call happening this hour is, can they figure out a way to resolve this impasse as negotiators themselves have now been able to figure out over the last several days, and as we mentioned, time is of the essence here. they want to get a deal tonight to release the legislative text as soon as tonight to get it on the house floor as soon as tuesday. and then try to get it through the senate as well. that will take several more days before we get to june 5th, and we're not even talking about the complications of counting the votes, getting people behind this bill. and we expect opposition from both sides of the aisle over this deal. so a lot of moving parts. the moment the critical phone call, the president and the speaker can resolve the final disagreements. jim? >> yes. very critical phone call indeed. let's go to the white house.
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priscilla, what is the latest you're hearing from over there at the white house? i mean, it sound like if they're getting on the phone, that's something. that's progress. >> reporter: a source familiar says they may be getting on the phone the at 6:00. and i'm told that president biden spoke earlier today with democratic leadership, including senate majority leader schumer and house majority leader jeffries. so all of this coming to a head, of course, as the negotiations have continued throughout the day, one of the sticking points that remain was the work requirements for social safety net programs. we know what the white house position has been on this. yesterday a white house spokesperson said the white house is standing against this cruel and senseless tradeoff. so clearly, this was a point of concern for the white house. not only for them but also in terms of how it would sit with house democrats. who had expressed frustration about this being included in any type of deal. so of course, that is likely one
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of the issues that is coming up on the call with president biden and house speaker mccarthy. as you heard there from manu, it is not just reaching a deal. it is all the steps that follow that. that includes releasing the text, a vote on the house floor and later, a vote on the senate floor. all of this before june 5th. so a long road ahead for a short amount of time. so both sides working hard over the last 24 hours, and especially now, to reach an agreement so they can proceed with what is to follow and avoid a default. which as you know, would have catastrophic consequences for the economy. >> that's right. and that's why we are following all the twists and turns. it could be a long evening. sorry, i know it is a long weekend. thank you so much. more on the high drama in the texas state house which has just voted to send articles of impeachment against attorney general ken paxton over to the senate for a trial. he has been impeached.
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now with the latest along with scott braddock, with the report in austin. this vote means ken paxton, he's been suspended from office until the end of the senate trial. give us the latest. >> reporter: you know, you're absolutely right. under texas law, as soon as an individual is impeached in the texas house, that means that ken paxton, the attorney general, is no longer the attorney general. he has been suspended as of the moment that vote was made in the texas house. now, texas governor greg abbott can appoint a replacement, and that replacement is pending the results of the trial in the senate. but let me take you inside the texas house. because here's the moment when that vote came down. take a look. >> 121 hours, 23 days, three absent. the resolution is adopted.
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the chair directs the chief clerk to notify the governor of the house's action. the chair directs the committee on general investigating -- >> reporter: now, as you heard there, the house speaker specifically said that decision was going to be sent to the governor of texas. and that specifically why. now the governor has the power under the constitution of texas to appoint a replacement. before all of this, there has been hours, hours of debate with a lot of the proponents and opponents of this impeachment going forward and explaining their positions. take a listen. >> i'm not here to defend ken paxton. what you're being asked to do today is to impeach without evidence. it is all rumor. it is all innuendo. it is all speculation. >> i don't think today is about whether there's guilt or
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innocence. it is about the process. >> i have heard from many of my friends and constituents in the last 24 hours, i'm sure many of you have. the speed and transparency has been described in their emails using such words, and these are their words, as being a political set-up, steam rolled, sham, political whack job, weaponized political prosecution, railroaded. these are not my words but the words of concerned citizens. our citizens are concerned. they want fairness. >> we have a decision to make here today. do we listen to our colleagues, a bipartisan committee, that sat and listened to hours of testimony, that held the investigation since march, to come before you, members of the highest integrity, representative johnson,
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representative spiller, i've never been lied to by one of them once. never. i hold them to the highest regard. i tell you that i have faith in them. i have faith in you. fear not politics. fear corruption. >> reporter: now, the ending vote was 121 for and 23 against. they only needed 75. so what happens next? now, the articles of impeachment go to the senate. and in the senate, the lieutenant governor is the judge. there are 31 senators who will be the jurors. in the senate, a two-thirds vote of those present is required. ? jim, this is an historic moment in the state of texas. there have only been two impeachments prior to this. one in 1917 when governor james
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ferguson was impeached, and then in 1975, a district judge was impeached. so a very historic moment. now it is unclear of the timing of when this will go to the senate but of course, we will be watching. jim? >> all right, rosa flores, we should note, we just got a statement from ken paxton, the impeached attorney general. he said this, i am beyond grateful to have the support of millions of texans who recognize that what we just witnessed is illegal, unethical and profoundly unjust. i look forward to a quick resolution in the texas senate. he goes on to say, i have full confidence is process will be fair and just. scott, in the last hour, you predicted this would happen. you said about 100 votes. it ended up being well over 100 votes. 121 votes. over in the center, rosa was saying it would take a two-thirds majority. that sounds like a tall order. especially in texas.
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>> it is a tall order. i'm laughing because it is very funny and ironic to hear ken paxton lecture anyone about ethics and integrity. he's been corrupt for a long time. this is the recognition of that by people in his own party. and you're right. in the texas senate, it will be a hare threshold for sure. it is two-thirds of those who are present. you think about it the way you think about the indictments and impeachments of folks connected the former president trump or president trump himself when he was impeached in washington. it works very similar tom here in texas. the house basically makes an indictment in the form of an impeachment. then the senate has the trial. i find it interesting, rosa mentioned, that the presiding officer of the senate. not necessarily the judge in this case but the guy who will hold the gavel is dan patrick. and he is the kind of republican, ideologically, the kind of person who has the support of former president trump like ken paxton does. i might have expected patrick to
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be dismissive of this but he hasn't been. in the last few days he's come out and said the senate will take its its duty very seriously and he would not make any predictions about how it might go. >> and scott, you indicated this. president trump was weighing in. ted cruz was weighing in. ken paxton had a lot of high-powered political support. and yet the vote was a resounding vote in favor of impeachment. >> i think that the house was already poised to impeach ken paxton anyway before he accused the speaker of being a drunk, essentially, earlier this week. you had the attorney general tweet out that dave phelan should resign because there was a video of him with slurred speech during a late night session the week prayer. so one of the things, one of the aspects of this is not just the alleged misdeeds of paxton. but i think that vote shows you,
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this became a question about leadership in the texas house and whether democratic and republican members of the texas house would side with phelan against paxton. it is texas politics. it is not for the squeamish. it is full contact and all of that. we'll see how it turns out. >> and one of the lawmakers said paxton was threatening with political consequences in the next election if they didn't side with him. that sounds like a pretty clear indication of how this will go down in the senate. it could be bare knuckles over there, too. rosa? we might have lost rosa. >> reporter: sorry. that question was for me. >> what do you think? it sounds like it got pretty rough over there in the house before the vote. that might happen in the senate, too. >> reporter: you know, you're absolutely right. what we learned from the floor of the house, this was from two different house members, they
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said before the floor that several members received calls from ken paxton who has now been suspended ever since that vote came down a few moments ago with threatening messages. in fact, there was one of the members who tweeted out that they were going to ask for that to be placed on the record. and i believe we have that tweet for you. and this is from eddie morales jr. tweeting, i will be submitting a journal statement to amend charged documents to include abuse of power, intimidation of house members, and senate jury tampering in light of charlie guerin, one of the representatives who made statements on the floor saying that the threats had been made, statements that a.g. paxton called and threatened house and senate members. so some serious allegations regarding these threats.
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and of course, i've reached out to paxton's office and we have not heard back. >> all right. rosa flores, scott braddock, a very interesting day. an important day in texas politics. thank you both. we appreciate it. president biden aset to spek on the phone with mccarthy on the debt ceiling. and i'll ask maxwel frost about it. so t today let's stain, with behr, the #1 rated stain. and make your deck, yoururs. behr. exclusively at the home depop.
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said and the things that he put in there. that he would like to keep in there. and i think those are still in there. >> and last month, you were among a handful of republican house members to vote against the parties' debt ceiling plan. is there enough debt reduction to win your support? and what about this idea of kicking the can past 2024 so this doesn't come up again during an election year? >> the 2024 thing has been in conversations for a few days now. i think that could pull a lot of people off it, actually. i mean, just to be honest with you. since i've been in washington, the democrats, they are the carrot and the stick party and they do it very well. if the president calls, i don't see them balking. i think they'll use their word smiths enough to where they will all vote for it. the vast majority.
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you might have a few hold out but that's all you'll see. and hakeem jeffries, he's the one in a spot right now. the democrats are really pushing, their side is more irs agents. that's how we'll spend it. more irs agents, more regulation. and more spending. so i think kevin mccarthy is in a very powerful position right now. >> you talked about the democrats. let's talk about the republicans. let's play a bit of what then president trump said on the national debt almost five years ago. >> the economy, we can go a lot higher. and people don't talk. we have $21 trillion in debt. when this really kicks in, we'll start paying off that debt like it's water. we will start paying that debt down. >> you know, congressman, president trump promised the pay down the debt. he never did it. in fact, under president trump it climbed from about $20
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trillion to about $28 trillion. it now stands at about $31 trillion. doesn't your party and former president trump have a credibility problem when it comes to this issue of the national debt? >> we're all at blame. i voted against under trump and i voted against the budgets, actually under him. i have a record, a track record of that. some people have the mentality, just paying the interest. i don't. you know, we're tennessee. we pay our debt. we're state. the budget every year. now we thought so much of it that they put it in the constitution that you have to balance the budget. it is a reality that both parties, they call it one thing or the other. they say the sacred cows. and i don't find any sacred cows. i would like to see some cuts at the pentagon.
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and everybody says, whoa, you can't do that. but the reality is we need to see some of that, too. when you audit the pentagon and they fail their audits every year. they lose over $1 billion. how do you lose over $1 billion? and it is just, it goes unchecked. and we're all to blame. there is plenty of blame to go around. eventually somebody will have to be responsible and i would like to be the one. there are four republicans that said enough is enough. the way math works -- go ahead. >> is it responsible, though, to vote against a deal if it means a debt default? are you willing to do that? are you a in no matter what? >> i'm not willing to vote this country into more debt as i see it. >> congressman burchett went on to say he questions the accuracy of june 5th as an actual deadline and whether the country would go into default. the experts say it would be an economic disaster.
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joining me now, congressman frost from florida. thank you for sharing your saturday with us. i wanted to play some of that for you to get your reaction from representative tim burchett. he seems to be saying, i mean, he's indicating he's a no, no matter what. he didn't say it in a hard and fast kind of way. he also indicated he doesn't really buy the june 5th deadline that the treasury secretary janet yellen said is a done deal. it has to get done by june 5th or there will be an economic calamity. your response to all that. >> well, look. i have no reason to wreef they have their numbers the numbers are incorrect. i don't think this is something we should be messing around with. for the country to default would be incredibly harmful to working families across the country. we're talking about people receiving social security, medicare, medicaid, students on
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pell not being able to go to school. that's not something to mess around with. this does need to get figured out. the problem is that republicans have manufactured this crisis and created it. when under trump they raised the debt ceiling three times, no if's and's or but's. so i think we need to move forward and do what the american people want to do. lift the debt ceiling and move on. the budget process is a separate process. the things that republicans are fighting for, food stamps. they can take food stamps from people. work requirements when we already have work requirements. it's not the right thing. >> and i was going to ask you this. a source familiar with the talks say the negotiations are coming down to one final sticking point. the work requirements that republicans have proposed for some safety net programs. is that a nonstarter for you if that kind of language goes into legislation to raise the debt ceiling? might that potentially people
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off progressive democrats in the house such as yourself? what do you think? >> we'll have to see what it is. it's not just progressive democrats. the congressional black caucus has spoken out against work requirements. and i want people to know. the reason we have work requirements, we already have work requirements attached to these programs. what the republicans are looking for are cuts to these programs. and we as democrats want to fate to ensure that working families have the resources that they need. the congressman was talking about balancing the budget. i agree this is important. the only conversation they want to have has to do with making cuts to working families and the programs that they depend on. and they don't want to have a conversation about making the top 1% actually pay their taxes. the revenue that taxes bring in. and that just shows who these parties are serving right now. >> and congressman, we're hearing from our sources that many house democrats feel cut out of this process.
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do you feel that way? has it been too. of a negotiation between the white house and house republicans and sort of leaving house democrats off to the sidelines? >> well, you know, the president and the white house have done a good job keeping us up to date over the last couple weeks. and i understand, you know, when you're having discussions like this, you don't want to have too many people in the room. again, i have to say that this entire thing that we're talking about. this impending economic collapse on our country is something completely made by the republican party. and i think we have to keep this in mind as we move forward. we have this narrative that we have two sides negotiating and we'll see what happens. that's not what's going on. it's not like democrats are getting things in these talks. it is the republican party holding a gun to the american people and saying, look, if you don't cut programs that working families depend on, we'll pull the trigger and put the economy into a recession. that's what's going on right
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now. of course, the president will continue his talks. the white house said yesterday that they weren't in favor of the work requirements. i agree with that. so i have faith in the president. we're hoping that he'll hold the line on work requirements. it's not just progressives. it is democrats across the entire house that don't want to satisfy it cut. >> do you wish the president had never started these negotiations and had said we're not negotiating under the debt ceiling. you raised the debt ceiling under trump. do it while i'm president. >> well, something i was thinking about, that we were talking about with other members, this probably should have been done last year when the democrats still had the house and the senate. but 2020 is hindsight. right now we need to focus on how we move forward and get through the crisis and ensure that the american people can have faith in their government. so i'm confident in the work that the white house is doing. house democrats are here
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spreading there message so people know this narrative that is two sides duking it out is not what's going on rate now. the american people are being held hostage by the republican party and congress and on top of that, they've said as much. matt gates said you shouldn't negotiate with your hostage. it's not the president. it's the american people. >> i guess, hearing what you're saying there, do you think that the president should have said no, no, we're not going to negotiate. if you're going to do it this way, i guess, in hindsight do you wish this process had not gotten started the way it had? that the white house had not negotiated this with republicans? or are you essentially in this situation where you agree, you are kind of a hostage? >> we are a hostage right now. that's what's going on. i think the president made the right decision. i would say we shouldn't be here in the first place. and it's difficult.
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we are talking about something very serious. the default of this country. and we care about them. we don't want to default. there are some in the republican party that they don't care. maybe they're curious to see what would happen. we understand how much of a burden that would be on the american people. these are difficult times when people are using a default the push a political agenda forward. so people know the budget process is separate from this. they're combining it because they understand that they can't get through these types of cuts through the actual normal process that congress usually takes. so they've combined these two things and they're saying, hey, it's my way or the highway. and that's not right and that's not the way we are supposed to go. >> and very quickly, you're a member of generation z. i know you've talked about it on this program and other places as well. as a member of that generation, you have to care about the national debt because it is getting so hey to the point where it may really have a
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negative impact on your generation. you may not be able to afford the kind of programs that americans have today. the debt may just crush all of that in the long run. >> we do care about the national debt. there are many ways we can deal with the debt to ensure that future generations in this country have the resources they need. and there's a huge part that republicans don't even want to talk about. that's ensuring that corporations and the wealthy pay their fair share in taxes. there's so much that we can do in terms of that. they don't want to hear it. it is not even part of the discussion right now and i think it shows who that party is serving. we need to ensure that we do everything we can to balance the budget, yes, but not like this. >> all right. congressman maxwell frost. thank you for your time. we appreciate it. >> thank you for having me on. >> all right. talk to you in the days ahead.
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search and rescue operations are over at a medical facility in central ukraine that was hit by russian forces. at least two people died and dozens more were left injured. kyiv and western allies calling all this a war crimes attack. this comes as a top ukrainian official, hence a counter offensive, could be imminent. text appears under the video, under a minute in length. it says the time has come to take back what is ours. and we're joined by cnn analyst,
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lieutenant general mark hertling. great to see you as always. what did you think when you saw this take back what is ours video? it sounds like they're gearing up. >> i think so. some of it is certainly messaging for the opponents on the other side. certainly, some of the video, it is probably not apparent to most people watching the film but the shots inside the video had a lot of western equipment. there was a tank in one of the pictures, some artillery pieces, it goes to show that this is additional messaging, that you have a disciplined ukrainian force getting ready for the assault. and the general who is the head of the ukrainian military had a single phrase that he used. bless our decisive offensive. so i think, yes, some of it is certainly, they're getting ready to conduct operations. certainly some of it is also messaging. >> and let's talk about the
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attack in dnipro. you heard them saying that russia is intentionally targeting civilians, claiming such attacks should be considered war crimes. something that france is echoing as well. we talked about this before. sl there any indication that this combination will stop these types of attacks? i suppose you have to call them out when they happen though, regardless. >> yeah. there's no way any of the condemnation will stop the attacks because this is the russian way of war. we've been talking about this for 16 months now. the use of illegal weapons clik cluster munitions, that they are targeting specifically civilian infrastructure to include hospitals and schools and medical facilities. so all of those things just the add to the list of geneva convention and law of land warfare crimes that the russians have been committed. and it isn't just guidance from
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above. mr. putin has said this. their narrators on the tv channels have blessed it and encouraged it. so what you're talking about is just, again, the russian way of war that seems to be acceptable, and in a very bold way, at the continue the target ukrainian civilians which violates everything stated in the geneva conventions of 1947. >> all right. lieutenant general mark hertling on a very busy memorial weekend saturday. we appreciate it. good talking to you. >> thank you. thank you very much. >> all right. coming up, after the supreme court weighed in, there's renewed debate over whether social media companies should be protected from legal liability for the content on their platforms. we'll discuss new developments in that subject coming up next. i heard about the payroll tax refund that allowed us to keep the people that hahave been here taking care of us.
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a debate is swirling on whether social media companies should be held liable for graphic content and misinformation posted their platforms. the supreme court weighed in on this matter this month preserving a law 230 that allows company like facebook and twitter to allow content to post to their sites. but critics say they will continue to hold big tech accountable. one of those persons is andy parker who joins us now. his daughter allison was fatally shot on live television. he's been fighting to have that taken down from social media. great to see you. we've talked about this issue several times. it is so important and so great to have you back. let's get your reaction to the supreme court's ruling. what does it mean for this battle that you've been waging to try to get some of this really horrific content pulled off these big companies'
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websites? >> well, jim, it is always great to be with you and thanks. silicon valley was popping corks last week with the supreme court decision, punting the issue back to congress because they feel like, justifiably so, that congress won't act. and it is no coincidence that facebook this week, just like twitter, they started laying off content moderators. the people that are supposed to be protecting us from all this stuff. they don't fear the consequences. and meanwhile, the raw video of allison's murder still circulates on facebook and instagram and google, along with all sorts of illegal drug and weapons sales and violent content. and i wrote about there in my become for allison. and the thing that pisses me off the most just like the facebook whistleblower said, these
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monetize content. and we didn't do a damn thing to stop them. >> one of the sad things is as we continue to have mass shootings in this country, there are other families now going through very similar things to what you went through. there are some things, the shooters will live stream these. sometimes do you see video posted by other users on the websites. so it continues on for other people as well. i understand that you have been working on capitol hill to try to get some momentum moving forward on this issue, to try toos it legislatively. what's the latest on that? >> i think the tide is turning. i think both sides of the aisle see that it is time to repeal section 230, protection for these tech companies. they've shown over and over again that they just can't be trusted to do the right thing. so i think that i saw that nikki
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haley came out. a republican presidential candidate. she came out for repealing immunity for these companies that so i thins realizes the ball is in their court, from what i can gather, there's movement to create bipartisan legislation and i will be, you know, there doing everything i can to push for this legislation and advocate. and i think it is actually going to be easier to get something like this done than it will be to pass new gun legislation. so i'm hopeful. listen, congress has been in a tizzy about a.i.? well, a. irgs is already here and it is called social media. >> you just mentioned nikki haley. let's listen to what she had to say and talk about it. >> you go to those tech
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companies and you say, because they said we can't control what other people say. we can't be held liable. but now we see, they decide what gets pushed. they decide what they do. it's not about free speech. so i think we pull section 230 back. >> andy, i talked to somebody in big tech recently about some of the this. this person said, criticism from some saying we have too much content on these websites, and some who say we don't have enough. and they feel like they're caught in the middle. is that a cop-out? >> it is a cop-out. i've used this analogy many times before. if you decide to put a soundtrack on a youtube video, you put it in there, you're editing this soundtrack and it is from, i don't know, whatever band or performance that you want to put in as an audio
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track, they'll flag it immediately. so they have the technology to do. this they have the technology to flag, and that's part of a.i. the good part of a.i. is that they can make this, they can flag this content and get rid of it. but they don't want to do it. i go back to francis. they make money from it. and i think per nikki haley's comment, what i'm seeing or hearing on the hill, i think enough is enough. i think congress is ready to act. and it takes them forever to do anything. but i think hopefully we're finally hear. >> all right. we can see allison over your shoulder. thank you so much. >> yep, always with me. take care. >> thank you. t's our turn nowow we'll make it up again. ♪ ♪ we'll build freelance teams withth more agility. ♪
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while many americans feel intelligence and politics is getting rare, artificial intelligence i right there, that's a deep fake of ron desantis in an episode of "the office." the original scene is a boss wearing a woman's suit. but this was made with a.i. and that is not the real desantis. there is a video showing hillary clinton endorsing him. this was also circulating online. we want to stress to our
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viewers, this never happened. this is another one of those a.i. deep fakes. john, this stuff is getting, i don't want to give it credit because it's so twisted, but it is getting better and better. these deep fakes and so on. you say this shows we're at the beginning of an a.i. election. what do you think? should voters be concerned? >> two things are happening. we're at the dawn of a new election which is happening at the same time as we're seeing this rapid improvement in a.i. technology to the point where it is creating photo, video, and audio, that are becoming increasingly hard to discern. because of that, we're seeing norms pop up. before you clearly stated that they were eriksson generated, right? well, former president trump has shown a willingness to post these fake a.i. content without any acknowledgement that they are a.i. you might remember the rnc
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created the first 100 that's right a.i.-generated ad. on that ad it clearly said it was a.i.-generated. the audio was fake audio of musk and desantis. president trump is posting it without any acknowledgement that it is fake. >> it's wild. we're just in a brave new world right now. and there is a new study where researchers used a.i. to find a new type antibiotic. not to take a hard right turn but let's talk about this. >> it shows how powerful this technology is. obviously, there's an incredibly legitimate concern. that's why washington, d.c. is looking to regulate it. but in the medical community, they're incredibly bullish about what it can may not for drug discovery. in this case, hospitals discovered a deadly bug.
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the cdc said it was urgent that researchers find a new way to combat it. well, at harvard and m.i.t. used a.i. to do just that. so there are two ways scientists are excited about a.i. when it come to medicine. one is to take it to create completely new drugs. completely new drugs and those drugs are being tested. in this case, scientists used it to speed up the traditional process. they took the middle process of seeing how the disease reacts to certain chemicals. it fed it into an a.i. they said they went to lunch and by the time they got back, they had a list of possible drugs. >> amazing stuff. obviously we're just scratching the surface. we'll have to talk about this further in the days ahead. great to talk to you. make sure to check out his show, "night cap." new episodes drop every thursday on the cnn website.
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